Descendants of Patrick Grace
Generation No. 1
1. PATRICK1 GRACE was born in County Kilkenny, Ireland. He married MARY ADDEY. She was born Abt. 1758 in County Kilkenny, Ireland, and died November 16, 1828.
Notes for PATRICK GRACE:
He was illiterate.
Notes for MARY ADDEY:
Mary Addey or Adday, or Adée, from County Kilkenny, Ireland.
She was a widow at her death.
More About MARY ADDEY:
Burial: November 18, 1828, Ste. Scholastique Parish
Children of PATRICK GRACE and MARY ADDEY are:
2. i. JAMES2 GRACE, b. Abt. 1803, County Kilkenny, Ireland; d. 1879, Montreal, QC, Canada.
ii. CATHERINE GRACE.
Generation No. 2
2. JAMES2 GRACE (PATRICK1) was born Abt. 1803 in County Kilkenny, Ireland, and died 1879 in Montreal, QC, Canada. He married ELIZABETH CASEY February 12, 1838 in St. Jerome, Quebec., daughter of WILLIAM CASEY and MARY MCCORMICK. She was born Abt. 1822 in Tipperary, Ireland, and died March 09, 1899 in St. Louis Parish.
Notes for JAMES GRACE:
James Grace was a farmer. Birth was around 1803, the 1951 Census states that he was 48 years old at the time.
Records state he died of a "debility'. Buried June 23, 1879, witness was Timothy Shelly (could not sign).
He was reburied August 3, 1899, witness Timothy Skelly (Shelly???) and Arthur McG??? Section N-1488 Notre-Dame-des-Neiges Cemetery.
In 1841, James is a proprietor and entitled to vote.
In the 1851 census the family is living in a "single family log house" in Montreal and they own two lots of 150 acres (30 for cultivation and 120 are wild).
In the mid 1850's they may have lived in Lachine.
1861 they were living in a one story log house.
More About JAMES GRACE:
Burial: June 20, 1879, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Notes for ELIZABETH CASEY:
Elizabeth/Eliza Casey.
1881 Eliza lives in St. Colomban with Jane, Catherine and Patrick Funchion.
1887 Eliza is living in Montreal at 23 Aylmer.
1888 - 1892 living at 57 Anderson with Bridget, Ellen, Eliza and Mary Dunphy (grand-daughter).
1892 living at 120 Drolet Street, between Roy and Duluth.
1894, died living there with Bridget.
Buried in Notre-Dame-des-Neiges Cemetery, lot N 1488. It is after her burial that the other members of her family were transferred from St Colomban.
James and Elizabeth Grace are known to have had 11 children. Many girls remained unmarried.
More About ELIZABETH CASEY:
Burial: March 11, 1899, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Children of JAMES GRACE and ELIZABETH CASEY are:
3. i. MARY3 GRACE, b. 1837, Quebec, Canada; d. 1910, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
ii. CATHERINE GRACE, b. September 14, 1840; d. March 11, 1888.
Notes for CATHERINE GRACE:
First buried N-D-N Section H-234 then moved to section N-1488, N-D-N, Montreal in 1899.
More About CATHERINE GRACE:
Burial: March 14, 1888, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
iii. MARGARET GRACE, b. February 07, 1843; m. MARTIN PHALEN, November 29, 1882, St. Columban Parish, Montreal.
More About MARGARET GRACE:
Burial: 1916, St. Columban Parish
More About MARTIN PHALEN:
Burial: 1916, St. Columban Parish
Marriage Notes for MARGARET GRACE and MARTIN PHALEN:
Second marriage for Martin.
First wife was Mary-Ann Casey, May 2, 1866, St Columban.
4. iv. ANN GRACE, b. January 06, 1844; d. February 04, 1886, Ste. Anne's Ward, Montreal, Quebec.
v. SARAH THERESA GRACE, b. February 21, 1847; d. May 16, 1869.
Notes for SARAH THERESA GRACE:
Sarah was reburied August 3, 1899 in Notre-Dame-des-Neiges Cemetery in section N-1488.
More About SARAH THERESA GRACE:
Burial: May 18, 1869, St Columban
vi. BRIDGET GRACE, b. January 02, 1849; d. February 1903.
Notes for BRIDGET GRACE:
Buried in section N-1488
More About BRIDGET GRACE:
Burial: February 21, 1903, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
vii. PATRICK GRACE, b. December 13, 1850, St Columban; d. July 01, 1872.
Notes for PATRICK GRACE:
Reburied August 3, 1899 in Cotes des Neiges Cemetery, section N-1488.
More About PATRICK GRACE:
Burial: August 03, 1872, St Columban
viii. ELEONORA ELLEN GRACE, b. November 12, 1852, St Columban; d. December 19, 1912, Montreal, QC, Canada.
Notes for ELEONORA ELLEN GRACE:
Buried section N-1488.
More About ELEONORA ELLEN GRACE:
Burial: Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
ix. ELIZABETH (ELIZA) GRACE, b. November 02, 1854; d. January 03, 1913, Montreal, QC, Canada.
Notes for ELIZABETH (ELIZA) GRACE:
Buried section N-1488.
More About ELIZABETH (ELIZA) GRACE:
Burial: Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
x. JANE GRACE, b. August 21, 1856, Lachine, Quebec; m. PATRICK FINCHION, July 18, 1880, St Columban Parish.
Notes for JANE GRACE:
Buried in lot N-1488.
More About JANE GRACE:
Burial: May 06, 1907, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Notes for PATRICK FINCHION:
Buried in lot N-1488.
More About PATRICK FINCHION:
Burial: August 07, 1904, Montreal, QC, Canada
xi. THOMAS WILLIAM GRACE, b. October 21, 1858, St Columban; d. August 06, 1875.
Notes for THOMAS WILLIAM GRACE:
Reburied August 3, 1899 in N-D-N section N-1488.
More About THOMAS WILLIAM GRACE:
Burial: August 07, 1875, St Columban
Generation No. 3
3. MARY3 GRACE (JAMES2, PATRICK1) was born 1837 in Quebec, Canada, and died 1910 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. She married LAWRENCE MCDONALD September 30, 1856 in St. Ange de Lachine Parish, son of JOHN MCDONALD and BRIDGET NOLAN. He was born 1836 in Ireland, and died January 1905 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
More About MARY GRACE:
Burial: July 02, 1910, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Notes for LAWRENCE MCDONALD:
He was a contractor.
On an 1888 map, he has a plot of land next to the Grace lot.
1901 he is living at 14 Mackay Street, Mary is 60 and Lawrence is 63.
Also worked as a labourer.
More About LAWRENCE MCDONALD:
Burial: January 20, 1905, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Children of MARY GRACE and LAWRENCE MCDONALD are:
5. i. BRIDGET4 MCDONALD, b. April 19, 1859, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; d. 1944.
6. ii. MARGARET (MAGGIE) MCDONALD, b. 1861; d. December 1896, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
7. iii. ELIZABETH MCDONALD, b. 1864.
8. iv. MARY MCDONALD, b. 1866.
v. ANNE MCDONALD, b. 1868; d. 1901, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
More About ANNE MCDONALD:
Burial: March 02, 1901, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
vi. SARAH THERESA MCDONALD, b. December 12, 1868.
Notes for SARAH THERESA MCDONALD:
Buried section N-992 N-D-N.
More About SARAH THERESA MCDONALD:
Burial: December 05, 1892, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
vii. PATRICK MCDONALD, b. August 08, 1873, Montreal, QC, Canada.
Notes for PATRICK MCDONALD:
Buried section N-993C.
More About PATRICK MCDONALD:
Burial: August 14, 1873, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
9. viii. LAWRENCE FRANCIS MCDONALD, b. August 13, 1874, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; d. August 25, 1945, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
10. ix. ELLEN THERESA MCDONALD, b. October 15, 1878; d. January 05, 1930.
x. JOHN MCDONALD, b. 1880.
xi. HENRY CHRISTOPHER MCDONALD, b. December 24, 1882; d. February 01, 1883.
Notes for HENRY CHRISTOPHER MCDONALD:
Buried in section N-992.
More About HENRY CHRISTOPHER MCDONALD:
Burial: Cotes des Neiges Cemetery
4. ANN3 GRACE (JAMES2, PATRICK1) was born January 06, 1844, and died February 04, 1886 in Ste. Anne's Ward, Montreal, Quebec. She married PHILIP DUNPHY October 02, 1867 in Notre Dame Church, Montreal, son of PATRICK DUMPHY and BRIDGET GRANGEL. He was born April 15, 1834 in Ireland, and died February 12, 1904.
Notes for ANN GRACE:
Buried section H-339.
More About ANN GRACE:
Burial: February 08, 1886, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Notes for PHILIP DUNPHY:
Buried in section H-339.
Philip was a labourer at the time of their wedding, in 1871, in ST. Anne's Ward, Montreal.
They and their children were living with Philip's widowed father.
1881 they were living on there own with their children, at 15 Young Street, Griffintown. Ann is 36 and Philip is 25 and remains a labourer.
More About PHILIP DUNPHY:
Burial: February 15, 1904, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Children of ANN GRACE and PHILIP DUNPHY are:
i. JOHN4 DUNPHY, b. May 29, 1869, Montreal, QC, Canada; d. March 20, 1884.
Notes for JOHN DUNPHY:
Buried in section H-339.
Godparents: Catherine Dunphy and Wiggin Dunphy.
More About JOHN DUNPHY:
Burial: March 30, 1884, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
ii. PATRICK DUNPHY, b. August 17, 1870, Montreal, QC, Canada; d. 1924, Montreal, QC, Canada; m. ISABELLA MCHUGH, August 16, 1892, St. Anthony's, Montreal, QC..
Notes for PATRICK DUNPHY:
Buried section H-339.
1891, at age 20, lives with his father and is a ship labourer.
1901, he and Isabella McHugh live a 15 Young Street. A Joseph Korb lives with them and they adopt a son John.
More About PATRICK DUNPHY:
Burial: March 09, 1924, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
iii. JAMES DUNPHY, b. August 25, 1872, Montreal, QC, Canada; d. March 21, 1885, Montreal, QC, Canada.
Notes for JAMES DUNPHY:
Buried section H-339.
Godparents are Bridget Dumphy and Lawrence McDonald.
More About JAMES DUNPHY:
Burial: April 26, 1885, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
iv. BRIDGET DUNPHY, b. August 22, 1874, Montreal, QC, Canada; d. September 1916; m. HENRY PATRICK KORB, May 08, 1894, St. Anne, Griffintown; b. March 06, 1873, St Patrick's Montreal; d. October 1937, Montreal, QC, Canada.
Notes for BRIDGET DUNPHY:
Buried section B-2758.
Bridget read and wrote English.
At 17 years old she is enumerated as a "drug Clerk".
More About BRIDGET DUNPHY:
Burial: September 27, 1916, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Notes for HENRY PATRICK KORB:
Buried section B-2758.
Henry read and wrote German and English.
At 18 years old he is enumerated as a "carriage driver'.
More About HENRY PATRICK KORB:
Burial: Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
v. SARAH ANN DUNPHY, b. February 08, 1876, Montreal, QC, Canada.
Notes for SARAH ANN DUNPHY:
At age 15 was an apprentice dressmaker.
Became a nun with the Notre-dame Congregation and took the name of Sister Amelia.
vi. PHILIP DUNPHY, b. November 19, 1877; d. 1916; m. MARGARET WYLIE.
Notes for PHILIP DUNPHY:
Buried in section H-339.
At 23 is listed as a brick layer and earned $360.00/year.
More About PHILIP DUNPHY:
Burial: February 02, 1916, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Notes for MARGARET WYLIE:
Buried in section H-339.
More About MARGARET WYLIE:
Burial: April 13, 1954, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
vii. CATHERINE DUNPHY, b. April 30, 1880; d. August 1918.
Notes for CATHERINE DUNPHY:
Buried in section H-339.
In 1910, age 20, father's... works as a "shoe stamper" and makes $240.00/year.
More About CATHERINE DUNPHY:
Burial: August 13, 1918, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
viii. ELIZABETH DUNPHY, b. March 12, 1882; d. 1965, Montreal, QC, Canada; m. PATRICK FRANCIS SULLIVAN.
Notes for ELIZABETH DUNPHY:
In 1901 she is a "shoe stamper" and earns $144.00/year.
Buried in section H-339.
Notes for PATRICK FRANCIS SULLIVAN:
Buried section H-339.
More About PATRICK FRANCIS SULLIVAN:
Burial: December 23, 1924, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
ix. CORNELIUS WILLIAM DUNPHY, b. January 31, 1884, Montreal, QC, Canada; d. April 17, 1884, Montreal, QC, Canada.
x. MARY GRACE DUNPHY, b. January 07, 1886.
Notes for MARY GRACE DUNPHY:
Also known as "Grace".
Generation No. 4
5. BRIDGET4 MCDONALD (MARY3 GRACE, JAMES2, PATRICK1) was born April 19, 1859 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, and died 1944. She married TOM HAROLD GRIFFIN. He was born March 26, 1859 in Granby, Quebec, Canada, and died 1922.
Children of BRIDGET MCDONALD and TOM GRIFFIN are:
i. ROBERT5 GRIFFIN, b. March 23, 1881.
Notes for ROBERT GRIFFIN:
Died as a child or teen.
ii. MARY GRIFFIN, b. April 22, 1883; d. 1936; m. JOE O'CONNOR, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; d. 1925.
iii. MARGARET ETHYL GRIFFIN, b. July 05, 1885; d. April 29, 1964; m. H. NORMAN CORLEY, October 29, 1913, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; b. March 14, 1886; d. August 15, 1933.
iv. ANNE FLORENCE GRIFFIN, b. November 07, 1891; d. February 28, 1941; m. JOHN CHARLES MCLAUGHLIN, June 19, 1917, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; b. September 17, 1884; d. May 24, 1970.
v. GERTRUDE GRIFFIN, b. June 16, 1890; d. May 03, 1916; m. HERMAN HARVEY; b. Granby, Quebec, Canada; d. 1958.
Notes for GERTRUDE GRIFFIN:
A second child was born on May 3, 1916, stillborn and Gertrude died at the same time.
vi. LAWRENCE GRIFFIN, b. June 10, 1893.
Notes for LAWRENCE GRIFFIN:
Died as a child or in early teens.
vii. CATHERINE GRIFFIN, b. August 1896.
Notes for CATHERINE GRIFFIN:
Died as a child or in early teens.
viii. HAROLD GRIFFIN, b. August 28, 1898.
Notes for HAROLD GRIFFIN:
Died as a child or in early teens.
6. MARGARET (MAGGIE)4 MCDONALD (MARY3 GRACE, JAMES2, PATRICK1) was born 1861, and died December 1896 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. She married JAMES WILLIAMS.
More About MARGARET (MAGGIE) MCDONALD:
Burial: December 17, 1896, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Child of MARGARET MCDONALD and JAMES WILLIAMS is:
i. MAY5 WILLIAMS.
Notes for MAY WILLIAMS:
Sister St. Alban. (Sisters of Providence, Peterborough, Ontario, Canada.)
More About MAY WILLIAMS:
Sister St. Alban: Sisters of Providence, Peterborough, Ontario, Canada
7. ELIZABETH4 MCDONALD (MARY3 GRACE, JAMES2, PATRICK1) was born 1864. She married JOHN MURRAY.
More About ELIZABETH MCDONALD:
Burial: October 09, 1963, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Children of ELIZABETH MCDONALD and JOHN MURRAY are:
i. GLADYS5 MURRAY.
Notes for GLADYS MURRAY:
No information, assumed to have died young.
ii. JOSEPH MURRAY.
Notes for JOSEPH MURRAY:
Married but wife's name unknown. Had a daughter named Joyce who married and became Joyce Aubin.
iii. MONA MURRAY, m. LYLE FUNCHION.
8. MARY4 MCDONALD (MARY3 GRACE, JAMES2, PATRICK1) was born 1866. She married JOHN MCDONELL. He died June 1885 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
More About JOHN MCDONELL:
Burial: June 12, 1885, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Marriage Notes for MARY MCDONALD and JOHN MCDONELL:
When widowed, Mary McDonell lived with John Murray and his daughter Mona.
Child of MARY MCDONALD and JOHN MCDONELL is:
i. EDWARD5 MCDONELL.
Notes for EDWARD MCDONELL:
This son died at age three.
9. LAWRENCE FRANCIS4 MCDONALD (MARY3 GRACE, JAMES2, PATRICK1) was born August 13, 1874 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, and died August 25, 1945 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. He married MARY ISABELLA STOCK August 21, 1901 in St Joseph, Missouri, US, daughter of JOHN STOCK and MATHILDA WILSON. She was born December 10, 1878 in Sillery, Quebec, Canada, and died August 06, 1972 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Notes for LAWRENCE FRANCIS MCDONALD:
He was a contractor. He is said to have had Tom O'Sullivan working with him.
More About LAWRENCE FRANCIS MCDONALD:
Burial: August 28, 1945, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
More About MARY ISABELLA STOCK:
Burial: August 09, 1972, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Children of LAWRENCE MCDONALD and MARY STOCK are:
i. LAWRENCE JOHN5 MCDONALD, b. December 11, 1903, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; d. 1986, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; m. MARY ANNE DOROTHY O'REILLY, September 14, 1927, St Eugene, Ontario, Canada; b. February 02, 1902, St Eugene, Ontario, Canada; d. November 30, 1973, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Notes for LAWRENCE JOHN MCDONALD:
Grandpa, he always had a pipe with him.
When he was in his late teens he had a horse drawn wagon ran over his foot, then he was hurt by an ice skate and was treated at the Royal Victoria Hospital, he eventually had to have his leg amputated.
He worked at Ogilvy Mills in Montreal.
More About LAWRENCE JOHN MCDONALD:
Burial: Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Notes for MARY ANNE DOROTHY O'REILLY:
She went by Dorothy. Her Baptism certificate states her name was Dorothée.
More About MARY ANNE DOROTHY O'REILLY:
Burial: December 02, 1973, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Marriage Notes for LAWRENCE MCDONALD and MARY O'REILLY:
There was a third child, a girl, stillborn November 20 1932.
ii. MARY AMELIA MCDONALD, b. May 05, 1906, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; d. December 02, 1934, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
More About MARY AMELIA MCDONALD:
Burial: December 05, 1934, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
iii. JOHN JOSEPH MCDONALD, b. February 05, 1908, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; d. April 19, 1981, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; m. MARGARET MELODY DEVER, June 24, 1936, St Patrick's church, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; b. 1905.
More About JOHN JOSEPH MCDONALD:
Burial: April 22, 1981, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
iv. AILEEN ANNA MCDONALD, b. April 30, 1910, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; d. September 17, 1998, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
More About AILEEN ANNA MCDONALD:
Burial: September 21, 1998, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
v. ELIZABETH AGNES MCDONALD, b. August 25, 1912, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; d. October 06, 1963, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
More About ELIZABETH AGNES MCDONALD:
Burial: October 09, 1963, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
vi. MARGARET MARY MCDONALD, b. May 08, 1914, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; m. CARL EDWARD JORGENSON, September 21, 1940, St Michael’s church, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; b. 1912, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; d. 1994, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
vii. MICHEAL JOSEPH MCDONALD, b. February 01, 1919, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; d. September 2001, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; m. VIOLA MARGUERITE PHELAN, September 15, 1945, St Dominic's Church Montreal, Quebec, Canada; b. May 29, 1922.
More About MICHEAL JOSEPH MCDONALD:
Burial: September 19, 2001, Notre-Dames-des-Neiges Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
10. ELLEN THERESA4 MCDONALD (MARY3 GRACE, JAMES2, PATRICK1) was born October 15, 1878, and died January 05, 1930. She married THOMAS O'SULLIVAN April 21, 1909, son of THOMAS O'SULLIVAN and BRIDGIT SULLIVAN. He was born March 28, and died January 05, 1948.
Notes for ELLEN THERESA MCDONALD:
Her nickname was Nellie.
Children of ELLEN MCDONALD and THOMAS O'SULLIVAN are:
i. MARGARET ANNE5 O'SULLIVAN, b. 1911; m. ROBERT CAINE; b. January 12, 1910; d. September 24, 1986.
ii. IONA O'SULLIVAN, b. 1913; m. WILLIAM A. FINLAY; d. August 07, 1985.
Marriage Notes for IONA O'SULLIVAN and WILLIAM FINLAY:
It is unsure if they were married.
iii. AGNES HELEN O'SULLIVAN, b. 1915; m. ROBERT Z. ROULEAU.
iv. PHILOMENA BRIGID ANASTASIA O'SULLIVAN, b. 1917; d. 1980; m. RAYMOND WILLIAM; d. August 05, 1975.
v. RITA ANASTASIA O'SULLIVAN, b. 1918; d. 1945.
vi. THOMAS JOHN ANTHONY O'SULLIVAN, b. 1921; m. MARGARET BILLINGSLEY.
I am a descendant of Patrick Grace and Mary Addey. My great great grandfather was Lawrence McDonald ( my great great grandmother Mary Grace) The older lady in this photo is Mary Grace...and my great grandfather Lawrence Francis McDonald. My grandfather was Lawrence John McDonald... As you can see, Lawrence McDonald has been used for several generations, including my father and my brother.